City mulls ways to make outsiders pay

Published Thursday June 18th, 2009
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SAINT JOHN - The city could charge people from outlying areas for using municipal services with a range of potential taxes, private consultants say.

Residents from the suburbs who work in the city, or regularly travel here, could pay new sales, fuel and payroll taxes that would be levied by city hall, Harry Kitchen and Enid Slack suggest in a report.

Several council members have raised concerns that residents from the valley, Grand-Bay Westfield and farther flung areas regularly use Saint John's services, but don't pay for them.

Just last fall, council narrowly quashed a motion that would have asked the city solicitor to consider the legality of charging suburban residents $8 per day to drive on the city's roads, drink its water and use its bathrooms.

Kitchen and Slack, university researchers from Ontario with backgrounds in municipal finances, suggest there are alternative sources of revenue - but they would require changes in provincial legislation.

"It's been our impression from what we've done elsewhere that there is legally some merit in suggesting some alternative revenue sources for municipalities, primarily for cities in large urban areas, that currently aren't used very often in Canada," Kitchen told council this week.

"It gives this council an option to say we have access to more than one tax; we can decide, do we want to raise it here, do we want to raise it there?" said Kitchen, a professor at Trent University who specializes in local government revenues and expenditures.

Council voted this week to form a committee that will further consider new ways of generating revenue.

Councillor Donnie Snook said Wednesday the city must address what he said was an inequity in which residents from outlying communities benefit from services they don't pay for.

But Snook said the city must also be careful not to discourage non-residents from spending time here.

"We have to figure out a way to make those that are from outlying areas and benefiting from our services to contribute more," Snook said.

"We have got to sensibly strike a balance to make sure our approach is fair as possible and that it's an approach that is going to be beneficial and advantageous for us."

Slack and Kitchen estimate the city could reap an additional $10 million a year by collecting a one per cent sales tax. According to their plan, the province would administer the tax and add one percentage point to the provincial share of the harmonized sales tax levied in the city.

The consultants said the city could earn about $1.7 million annually by collecting a fuel tax of one cent per litre. They said many American cities levy fuel taxes, but Canadian cities don't.

Slack and Kitchen said in their report some provinces share fuel tax revenue with municipalities using different methods.

The British Columbia government, for example, provides the Greater Vancouver Transit Authority with revenues equal to 12 cents per litre in fuel tax collected in Metro Vancouver. The authority uses the revenues to cover the capital and operating costs of public transit and major roads in Metro Vancouver.

Slack and Kitchen also suggested the city could collect taxes from suburban residents by reaping local income tax revenues.

The consultants argued a local income tax would be difficult to implement and expensive to administer.

But they said the city could collect a percentage of the provincial share of income tax levied within the municipality. Should the province increase income tax in the city by one per cent, the city would receive $1.1 million a year and the provincial tax rate would increase by less than one tenth of one per cent, Kitchen said.

According to the report, Manitoba shares revenues from 4.15 per cent of provincial income taxes, both personal and corporate, with municipalities.

Councillor Bill Farren, who has pressed for additional taxes levied against people who work in Saint John but live outside the city, said he supported many of the consultants' proposal reforms.

Residents from outlying municipalities use up the city's costly infrastructure on their way to work and don't have to pay for upkeep or repairs, Farren said.

 

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People chose to live outside of Saint John because the city taxes are too high. This will continue to be the case as long as the Irving group of companies continue to receive special tax deals which means the average property owner has to pick up the slack.

Blaming people who live outside the city is futile. The free market reighns and can not be corrupted by city politicans.
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JJ Ross, Saint John on 23/06/09 09:59:32 AM AST
Speechless, absolutely speechless at the utter absurdity and total stupidity of this concept. I hope the brain trust that sits around that council table reads this article online and looks at the responses and the thumbs up and down ratings. They will quickly see 90%+ of the public, both "outsiders" and I guess "insiders" voting against them.

Saint Johners, stop voting these idiots into office. Next time there is a municipal election why don't we all try something different and vote in an entirely new slate of people. Get each and everyone one of these mental midgets out of those chairs and bring in some new fresh blood with great ideas!! I am sorry to say I was not here for the last election, but I will be for the next and I will be doing just that!

They certainly could not be any worse than what has sat in those chairs for the last 30 years.
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Mike K., Saint John on 23/06/09 10:32:40 AM AST
Dear U while I realize you are associating every employee of the city as management and feel sorry for your small mindness. actually I am Firefighter,and my earlier comment still stands, you have a big mouth but I will guarentee that YOU can not only NOT perform my job better than I or my fellow brothers and sisters, I promise you that you can not do the job period. so before you shoot your mouth off make sure you can back all your talk. Im pretty sure other emaployess that dont work in the "stand around or sit around" division would make the same offer to you. in case you are wondering applications can be filled out at city hall during regular bussiness hours in the HR department(HR stands for human resources btw)
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scott riccio, quispamsis on 23/06/09 06:40:54 PM AST
I love how professional "heroes" want to be treated like heroes, not the civil servants that they are. It's a job for which you are paid to do. You still work for the city and are open to public criticism. I can still disrespect you.

Enjoy the commute from you suburban home to your fortress here in the city, where you can protect us serfs. For far more per person than most cities.

Your union is a great one though – your heavy handed campaigning has landed us a real winner of a mayor.
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U. , Saint John on 23/06/09 09:37:03 PM AST
poor u you proved my point exactly. where in any of my posts did i ask to be treated as a hero? you claimed that i dont do my job properly and i stated a fact that you can not do it better. and i do enjoy my commute, not exactly sure what the fortree refers to unless you refer to the 85 yr old building i work in. like i say put up or shut up
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scott riccio, quispamsis on 23/06/09 10:04:34 PM AST
People who live outside the city pay more in gas because they have to travel further. A huge portion of our income is spent in Saint John.
If they are worried about us using the washroom I can drop my load on the floor somewhere.
I live close to a lake and maybe people who live in the city should have to pay to come use it. They are using the roads outside of the city and many have party's and leave behind their garbage.
At the same time I seem to recall council saying Saint John needs to attract more imigrants. It appears we have to pay to support these people that will most likely just go on welfare.
Saint John is always trying to get people to move back that went out West or elsewhere. I can't understand why people are not coming back.
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ch s., saint john on 24/06/09 07:22:27 PM AST
Well, here's an idea. Why don't you set up speed traps all around the perifery of Saint John, get a bunch of redneck cops from the deep south to man them. You can then throw speeders in jail and charge the hostages...oops, I mean criminals, thousands of dollars to get out. If they don't pony up...on the chain gang they go. On the other hand you might try taxing a certain family in your city the going rate for property and commercial taxes, instead of them telling city hall what they might feel like paying. I know that is a radical idea...cheers.
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wayne moores, halifax on 24/06/09 10:28:36 PM AST
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