City mulls ways to make outsiders pay

Published Thursday June 18th, 2009
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SAINT JOHN - The city could charge people from outlying areas for using municipal services with a range of potential taxes, private consultants say.

Residents from the suburbs who work in the city, or regularly travel here, could pay new sales, fuel and payroll taxes that would be levied by city hall, Harry Kitchen and Enid Slack suggest in a report.

Several council members have raised concerns that residents from the valley, Grand-Bay Westfield and farther flung areas regularly use Saint John's services, but don't pay for them.

Just last fall, council narrowly quashed a motion that would have asked the city solicitor to consider the legality of charging suburban residents $8 per day to drive on the city's roads, drink its water and use its bathrooms.

Kitchen and Slack, university researchers from Ontario with backgrounds in municipal finances, suggest there are alternative sources of revenue - but they would require changes in provincial legislation.

"It's been our impression from what we've done elsewhere that there is legally some merit in suggesting some alternative revenue sources for municipalities, primarily for cities in large urban areas, that currently aren't used very often in Canada," Kitchen told council this week.

"It gives this council an option to say we have access to more than one tax; we can decide, do we want to raise it here, do we want to raise it there?" said Kitchen, a professor at Trent University who specializes in local government revenues and expenditures.

Council voted this week to form a committee that will further consider new ways of generating revenue.

Councillor Donnie Snook said Wednesday the city must address what he said was an inequity in which residents from outlying communities benefit from services they don't pay for.

But Snook said the city must also be careful not to discourage non-residents from spending time here.

"We have to figure out a way to make those that are from outlying areas and benefiting from our services to contribute more," Snook said.

"We have got to sensibly strike a balance to make sure our approach is fair as possible and that it's an approach that is going to be beneficial and advantageous for us."

Slack and Kitchen estimate the city could reap an additional $10 million a year by collecting a one per cent sales tax. According to their plan, the province would administer the tax and add one percentage point to the provincial share of the harmonized sales tax levied in the city.

The consultants said the city could earn about $1.7 million annually by collecting a fuel tax of one cent per litre. They said many American cities levy fuel taxes, but Canadian cities don't.

Slack and Kitchen said in their report some provinces share fuel tax revenue with municipalities using different methods.

The British Columbia government, for example, provides the Greater Vancouver Transit Authority with revenues equal to 12 cents per litre in fuel tax collected in Metro Vancouver. The authority uses the revenues to cover the capital and operating costs of public transit and major roads in Metro Vancouver.

Slack and Kitchen also suggested the city could collect taxes from suburban residents by reaping local income tax revenues.

The consultants argued a local income tax would be difficult to implement and expensive to administer.

But they said the city could collect a percentage of the provincial share of income tax levied within the municipality. Should the province increase income tax in the city by one per cent, the city would receive $1.1 million a year and the provincial tax rate would increase by less than one tenth of one per cent, Kitchen said.

According to the report, Manitoba shares revenues from 4.15 per cent of provincial income taxes, both personal and corporate, with municipalities.

Councillor Bill Farren, who has pressed for additional taxes levied against people who work in Saint John but live outside the city, said he supported many of the consultants' proposal reforms.

Residents from outlying municipalities use up the city's costly infrastructure on their way to work and don't have to pay for upkeep or repairs, Farren said.

 

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Until we recognize that the area from Hampton to Lepreau is one interdependant community that must share the benefits and the responsibilities of community, this imbalance in sharing costs will continue. The Finn Report must be taken seriously and discussed frankly. The City needs to improve its credibilty operationally and the suburbs must realize they can't "have their cake and eat it to". Homeowner taxes in the city are unaffordable, industry pays huge taxes that are taken out of the city and redistributed throughout the province, suburban taxes are relatively low because they don't need to supply services that urban areas need. There is alot of rhetoric about spending money in the city and working in the city etc.; it should be understood that a great deal of the taxes these places pay, leaves the city for redistribution to other areas in the province. At the same time the city is responsible for keeping roads, fire departments, policing, etc. in support of this activity.
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Bob McVicar, Saint John on 18/06/09 10:23:40 AM AST
I totally agree with Bob on this one.
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mike Jones, NB on 18/06/09 10:49:21 AM AST
Municipal taxes do pay for municipal roads. But remember many of the major roadways in Saint John are still classified as provincial highways and part of the maintenance is paid for by the province. Minor point, but we all own a part of Rothesay Ave.

As for the idea that we are one community, I have to agree to a point, but really I have yet to hear of a case where amalgamation didn't cost more in the end. Examples are Halifax, NS and Kingston, ON. The expected costs of the Halifax and area amalgamation was supposed to be around 10 million dollars. In the end, it was over 24 million. In the Kingston example, their property taxes ended up rising by about 50% over the 10 years since amalgamation.

It is very frustrating to see Saint John city council pissing and moaning about those from the outside using their streets and bathrooms (seriously?)when they are spending money to pursue a frivolous lawsuit and spending money on other projects like it's free.

It is time to prioritize

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G. B., Rothesay on 18/06/09 11:03:05 AM AST
"Outsiders" pay by working, shopping and dining in the city. Saint John would have less businesses paying property taxes if workers and customers "from away" didn't come in.
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UrbanPlans.blogspot.com , Saint John on 18/06/09 11:41:49 AM AST
It would be a shame to see the new retail areas in SJ suffer as a result of this, if I am forced to pay a tax to work in this mismanaged City I can guarantee that this “we are one community” will not include Saint John retail, sporting, cultural or entertaining visits by myself or my family. So would my new tax contribution be paying to build Peel Plaza and the new glorious Police Station or do City Hall managers need to upgrade their current company vehicles??
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S. Saint John, Saint John on 18/06/09 11:58:43 AM AST
Some ideas to save on roads and bring in revenue/lower costs:

1. Invest in better quality roadwork - not the cheapest
2. Moratorium on allowing transport trucks to drive in the city
3. Install toll booths on the highway, charging the same as the harbour bridge, $0.50 each way – and have the B-Pass work on both sides of the city

To suggest that charging $8/day is reasonable is completely absurd. That would be $200,000 per week if you say that 5,000 people travel into the city on a daily basis, which I believe is much higher (based on 5 day week). It would essentially double the taxes of suburbanites, leaving us with higher ‘City Use Tax’ then the average Saint John homeowner pays for their City of Saint John property tax.

I don't mind paying to Saint John for allowing us to use their city but within reason, and $8/day is not reasonable.
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Anonymous Reader, Saint John on 18/06/09 12:37:04 PM AST
well, at least everyone knows now that our council is good for one thing - coming up with silly ideas.

btw, whatever happened to their priority setting session in spring?
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sick in the city , saint john on 18/06/09 12:57:00 PM AST
I drive on a provincial highway pretty much all the way to work everyday. I park in my company owned parking lot, and pay for every drop of water I (and all my employees) drink or send to drain. So what exactly is it I’m going to have to pay extra for?

I also currently buy all my food, furniture, hardware and gas in Saint John., BUT this may soon change along with my company’s Saint John location. Council should be VERY careful what they wish for here, as it might just turn around and bite them in the ass.
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Angus McDermott, Quispamsis on 18/06/09 01:28:24 PM AST
Bob McVicar,
"Have their cake and eat it too". Again, where is my free ride ? You are upset because alot of Saint John taxes are redistributed to other areas of the province and Saint John has to do more with less. I agree with you but don't blame the "outsiders" on this one.
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Stanley B., Quispamsis on 18/06/09 01:59:04 PM AST
city employees are paid a salary to provide a service, they are NOT paid to reside inside city limits. other major corporations do not and can not force thier employees to purchase or use thier products exclusively. what they do offer is employee discounts. irving employees afre not told to purchase irving gas or to shop at kent only. GM doesnt make thier employees buy only thier products. those ideas reek of the ideals of communism.
and to Mr McVicar i believe i have spent some of my "cake " money in your stores. perhaps in the future i will re-think where i shop
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scott riccio, quispamsis on 18/06/09 02:21:27 PM AST
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