City mulls ways to make outsiders pay

Published Thursday June 18th, 2009
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SAINT JOHN - The city could charge people from outlying areas for using municipal services with a range of potential taxes, private consultants say.

Residents from the suburbs who work in the city, or regularly travel here, could pay new sales, fuel and payroll taxes that would be levied by city hall, Harry Kitchen and Enid Slack suggest in a report.

Several council members have raised concerns that residents from the valley, Grand-Bay Westfield and farther flung areas regularly use Saint John's services, but don't pay for them.

Just last fall, council narrowly quashed a motion that would have asked the city solicitor to consider the legality of charging suburban residents $8 per day to drive on the city's roads, drink its water and use its bathrooms.

Kitchen and Slack, university researchers from Ontario with backgrounds in municipal finances, suggest there are alternative sources of revenue - but they would require changes in provincial legislation.

"It's been our impression from what we've done elsewhere that there is legally some merit in suggesting some alternative revenue sources for municipalities, primarily for cities in large urban areas, that currently aren't used very often in Canada," Kitchen told council this week.

"It gives this council an option to say we have access to more than one tax; we can decide, do we want to raise it here, do we want to raise it there?" said Kitchen, a professor at Trent University who specializes in local government revenues and expenditures.

Council voted this week to form a committee that will further consider new ways of generating revenue.

Councillor Donnie Snook said Wednesday the city must address what he said was an inequity in which residents from outlying communities benefit from services they don't pay for.

But Snook said the city must also be careful not to discourage non-residents from spending time here.

"We have to figure out a way to make those that are from outlying areas and benefiting from our services to contribute more," Snook said.

"We have got to sensibly strike a balance to make sure our approach is fair as possible and that it's an approach that is going to be beneficial and advantageous for us."

Slack and Kitchen estimate the city could reap an additional $10 million a year by collecting a one per cent sales tax. According to their plan, the province would administer the tax and add one percentage point to the provincial share of the harmonized sales tax levied in the city.

The consultants said the city could earn about $1.7 million annually by collecting a fuel tax of one cent per litre. They said many American cities levy fuel taxes, but Canadian cities don't.

Slack and Kitchen said in their report some provinces share fuel tax revenue with municipalities using different methods.

The British Columbia government, for example, provides the Greater Vancouver Transit Authority with revenues equal to 12 cents per litre in fuel tax collected in Metro Vancouver. The authority uses the revenues to cover the capital and operating costs of public transit and major roads in Metro Vancouver.

Slack and Kitchen also suggested the city could collect taxes from suburban residents by reaping local income tax revenues.

The consultants argued a local income tax would be difficult to implement and expensive to administer.

But they said the city could collect a percentage of the provincial share of income tax levied within the municipality. Should the province increase income tax in the city by one per cent, the city would receive $1.1 million a year and the provincial tax rate would increase by less than one tenth of one per cent, Kitchen said.

According to the report, Manitoba shares revenues from 4.15 per cent of provincial income taxes, both personal and corporate, with municipalities.

Councillor Bill Farren, who has pressed for additional taxes levied against people who work in Saint John but live outside the city, said he supported many of the consultants' proposal reforms.

Residents from outlying municipalities use up the city's costly infrastructure on their way to work and don't have to pay for upkeep or repairs, Farren said.

 

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I agree with A C.... Moncton and Bangor here I come. And I thought when I paid gasoline taxes it was for all roads in NB. Is Saint John excluded from this tax? Are they going to double tax me? What about when I pay provincial and federal income tax . That money helps to pay Saint John's loans and grants from the government Are you telling me you don't want me to support Saint John buisinesses. Tax me .........go ahead make my day(apoligies to Dirty Harry)
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Frank Isaac, Quispamsis on 18/06/09 08:27:25 AM AST
What a bonehead idea!
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Jeff I., Saint John on 18/06/09 08:27:31 AM AST
WOW, More genius from your wonderfully elected buffoons in Saint John. Does the business I work for not pay water, sewage and other taxes in order to employ 1500 + workers?? Have fun with this one!! I am sure the lawsuits that will ensue if this ever comes to fruition will offset any additional revenues the city will "benefit" from. Try this one... change legislation to have a vote of no confidence in the elected council and get business leaders in there as opposed to ex/current teaching professionals trying to run a $100 + million corporation.
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Sick of the negativity Saint John, Saint John on 18/06/09 09:01:15 AM AST
Here we go again.

First, Rothesay, Quispamsis, and Grand-Bay Westfield already contribute to the cost of operating Harbour Station, the Aquatic Centre, the Saint John Trade and Convention Centre, and the Imperial Theatre. If you are bored sometime, read up on the Greater Saint John Regional Facilities Commission Act.

Secondly, it is the combination of Saint John and it's outlying communities (and I include Midland, Norton, Nerepis, etc and all the smaller areas, not just KV and Grand Bay) that has resulted in the large commercial development on the east side. How much commercial property taxes do you think are collected from these businesses?

So...my tax dollars already go there. My entertainment and shopping dollars go there.

Try to tax me further and see what happens. I will actively lobby all those I can to boycott Saint John businesses.

I live and work in Rothesay and will happily shop in Moncton.
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G. B., Rothesay on 18/06/09 09:03:05 AM AST
I don't believe blaming people who live outside is the solution. A better solution would be finding a way to convince them that coming back to the City is a good thing, and I will take my hat off to anyone who can come up with that.

Anyone who can find a way to get people to move back to the City will have my vote, but I won't hold my breath. Heck, I'm even starting to look around, and I love my part of the City.
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I Give A Damn, Saint John on 18/06/09 09:03:30 AM AST
And one final point.

How exactly, does a municipality determine where you live and work?

Are they going to go to every government and commercial business and start kicking in doors looking for "non-residents"?
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G. B., Rothesay on 18/06/09 09:06:23 AM AST
This is absolutely ridiculous. Outside residents spend millions of dollars supporting businesses in Saint John. They shop, they eat, they attend social events in Saint John. Some of their municipalities pay to support our facilities as previously stated.

What resources do they use? The roads...we use them too and I am willing to bet some of our local companies with their overweight trucks do more damage than a minivan from the valley. Is it fireprotection...not really as they respond to our buildings. Perhaps it is medical responses...so we should not send a response if the person in distress is not from Saint John or advise them there is a fee before we respond. See how stupid some of these ideas are. We need to clean house before we blame others for our problems.
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LM C, Saint John on 18/06/09 09:22:11 AM AST
Gee I thought when I pay my gas tax on every litre of gas I buy It covered all the New Brunswick roads I drove on. How about those provincial and fedral grants for SJ that comes out of my income tax. Saint John doesn't want my buisiness OK I will try to buy as much as I can in KV. Moncton will be the next stop. Milk chicken etc Calais. Sounds good
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Frank I., Quispamsis on 18/06/09 10:16:03 AM AST
As far as I know, the gas tax pays for provincial roads, not municipal ones. Municipal infrastructure is by and large financed by the property tax.
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D from Moncton, Moncton on 18/06/09 10:20:17 AM AST
This is the most absurb idea. Think about this: customers of SJ businesses come from everywhere, even Fredericton, Moncton and the US. That's their ability to survive and grow. Charging these customers to come here is the craziest notion and guaranteed to create business elsewhere. The fact is SJ has created more and more retail over the last number of years and hence this has gone a long way to getting a good tax base. We need more customers not less. For sanity sake get off this mentality that the outlying are does not pay for services and get on with getting more businesses to co-locate at McAllister mall and industrial parks. Get on with making the raceway a major attraction and creating more businesses... and taxes
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Very Concerned for Saint John, Saint John on 18/06/09 10:22:16 AM AST
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