City mulls ways to make outsiders pay

Published Thursday June 18th, 2009
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SAINT JOHN - The city could charge people from outlying areas for using municipal services with a range of potential taxes, private consultants say.

Residents from the suburbs who work in the city, or regularly travel here, could pay new sales, fuel and payroll taxes that would be levied by city hall, Harry Kitchen and Enid Slack suggest in a report.

Several council members have raised concerns that residents from the valley, Grand-Bay Westfield and farther flung areas regularly use Saint John's services, but don't pay for them.

Just last fall, council narrowly quashed a motion that would have asked the city solicitor to consider the legality of charging suburban residents $8 per day to drive on the city's roads, drink its water and use its bathrooms.

Kitchen and Slack, university researchers from Ontario with backgrounds in municipal finances, suggest there are alternative sources of revenue - but they would require changes in provincial legislation.

"It's been our impression from what we've done elsewhere that there is legally some merit in suggesting some alternative revenue sources for municipalities, primarily for cities in large urban areas, that currently aren't used very often in Canada," Kitchen told council this week.

"It gives this council an option to say we have access to more than one tax; we can decide, do we want to raise it here, do we want to raise it there?" said Kitchen, a professor at Trent University who specializes in local government revenues and expenditures.

Council voted this week to form a committee that will further consider new ways of generating revenue.

Councillor Donnie Snook said Wednesday the city must address what he said was an inequity in which residents from outlying communities benefit from services they don't pay for.

But Snook said the city must also be careful not to discourage non-residents from spending time here.

"We have to figure out a way to make those that are from outlying areas and benefiting from our services to contribute more," Snook said.

"We have got to sensibly strike a balance to make sure our approach is fair as possible and that it's an approach that is going to be beneficial and advantageous for us."

Slack and Kitchen estimate the city could reap an additional $10 million a year by collecting a one per cent sales tax. According to their plan, the province would administer the tax and add one percentage point to the provincial share of the harmonized sales tax levied in the city.

The consultants said the city could earn about $1.7 million annually by collecting a fuel tax of one cent per litre. They said many American cities levy fuel taxes, but Canadian cities don't.

Slack and Kitchen said in their report some provinces share fuel tax revenue with municipalities using different methods.

The British Columbia government, for example, provides the Greater Vancouver Transit Authority with revenues equal to 12 cents per litre in fuel tax collected in Metro Vancouver. The authority uses the revenues to cover the capital and operating costs of public transit and major roads in Metro Vancouver.

Slack and Kitchen also suggested the city could collect taxes from suburban residents by reaping local income tax revenues.

The consultants argued a local income tax would be difficult to implement and expensive to administer.

But they said the city could collect a percentage of the provincial share of income tax levied within the municipality. Should the province increase income tax in the city by one per cent, the city would receive $1.1 million a year and the provincial tax rate would increase by less than one tenth of one per cent, Kitchen said.

According to the report, Manitoba shares revenues from 4.15 per cent of provincial income taxes, both personal and corporate, with municipalities.

Councillor Bill Farren, who has pressed for additional taxes levied against people who work in Saint John but live outside the city, said he supported many of the consultants' proposal reforms.

Residents from outlying municipalities use up the city's costly infrastructure on their way to work and don't have to pay for upkeep or repairs, Farren said.

 

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I hope there is more to the consultants report than the city dipping its hands in the provincial cookie jar. Municipalities should be tying user fees to as many services as possible and rebating residents (and business owners) if need be through the property tax. That way, those living outside the city will pay a greater share. Sounds more simple than going to Fredericton to change various pieces of legislation.
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D from Moncton, Moncton on 18/06/09 06:31:55 AM AST
Instead of blaming the out the outsiders for your problem, start with yourself Saint John. Does everyone who work for Saint John and gets paid with Saint John tax dollars live in Saint John ? I don't think so. Apart from driving on your roads to go to work, and shop in your stores, eat in your restaurants, and watch hockey games in your rink, exactly what am I getting for free. Did you ever notice how many cars leave for the valley after a hockey game or concert? Harbour Station would be near empty if it wasn't for the outsiders. We are not getting anything for free. With all the problems your city has, what does your council want to do ? Rotate the Deputy Mayors job !!! Stop blaming us and clean up your own mess.
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Stanley B., Quispamsis on 18/06/09 06:45:23 AM AST
What an outrageous concept. They will be limited in their ability to tax their residents(currently very highly taxed), so they will look at taxing non residents. Using your $8 per day charge, this would result in approximately $1920 additional annual taxes for the privelege of using the city's crumbling infrastructure. Would this apply to uptown only, or the entire geographic city limits? Why?
I can't imagine a more effective way to remove significant jobs from the city economy. Find a reason to attract business, not repel it.
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owen meaney, rothesay on 18/06/09 06:47:01 AM AST
The city should be placed in receivership and run by a board of financial experts. They wouldn't be amenable to hearing the same tired BS excuses why Saint John needs hire taxes because we have more area, etc. When taxes come down and services are improved power should be turned back over to an elected council of mayor and 6 coucillors. To be elected, each candidate should have 5,000 signatures to be considered. The city should then be run for the benefit of tax payers, not employees. Gone should be $18 per hour summer student jobs and $86,000 admin assistant jobs. Saint John needs to put on her big girl panties and take responsibility for her own problems and stop blaming other things.
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Andrew W., Saint John on 18/06/09 07:04:57 AM AST
I agree with Stanely B. on this one and I will go further on to say that there has to be some big changes at City Hall for things to improve, and charging non residents won't change a thing.

The problem is that there is too much to maintain by too few people. You can fit Moncton and Fredericton inside our city limits. The population has gotten so small and the area that we maintain hasn't changed we need to make our city smaller. It would be interesting to know how many Saint Johner's there are per hectare and then compare that to other cities.

I think that we also need to manage quality better. Quality contractors that do quality work, preventitive maintenance, those kinds of things. Our $ spent on maintenance/ kilometer would be interesting to compare to other city's as well.

If charging non residents is expensive and innefficient, and against current legislation, then why consider it?
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Billy Joel, Saint John on 18/06/09 07:18:45 AM AST
IF they charge a fee for non-residents then I could see this hurting the city much more.

I feel this would drive some of the companies that have setup shop here out of the city and into the outskirts such as Rothesay/Quispam, Hampton, Grand Bay, etc ....

I know personally that if I was looking for quality people that wanted a good place to live and work but did not want to have to pay to come into the city then I would have no issue moving my company or working for a company that was outside of the city.

Once the city gets its priorities straight then maybe things will start to turn around but election after election its the same old thing.
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No One, Saint John on 18/06/09 07:41:54 AM AST
Throw any taxes you want at me the outsider...I'l take ALL my outside business to Moncton instead, then we will see who is really spending the $$$ in Saint John.
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A. C., Sussex on 18/06/09 07:47:32 AM AST
This is ridiculous. MORE TAXES?!!! They should cut taxes! Have our gas cheaper than the burbs not more expensive. What is more tax going to do other than drive spending away from Saint John?? Do they not sell gas in Quispamsis??... Last time I checked they did. Good grief. This sort of thinking is what is going to eventually drive corporate offices and shopping centres out of the city - following the many families that are tired of this. MORE TAXES?!!!
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Barry O'Bama, Saint John on 18/06/09 07:51:47 AM AST
I live in the city but wouldn't want to see taxes or fees levied against non-residents. I don't know how you do this without charging everyone and then letting residents get it back at tax time.

I would like to see on a go-forward basis, all city workers/staff must live in city limits. Leave the current ones there ifs going to cause a giant stink but any new hires must live in city limits.
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Manique M., Saint John on 18/06/09 07:52:11 AM AST
I love the last comment. It in my opinion hits the nail on the head. All city wrokers / staff should live in city limits. We shouldn't tax non residents just for coming in to the city but we should tax those who work in the city but live elsewhere.
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Just Visiting, Saint John on 18/06/09 08:27:17 AM AST
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