Open the pension books

Published Saturday January 3rd, 2009

Urban Report Public inquiry important to nearly 60 per cent of residents, poll finds

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SAINT JOHN - Opening up the books to the city's pension plan is on the priority list for residents of Greater Saint John.

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Coun. Bill Farren makes no bones about it: An inquiry into the city’s troubled pension fund is a must, so the taxpayers can see where their money is going.

In a recent Corporate Research Associates poll commissioned by the Telegraph-Journal, 57 per cent of those polled considered the launch of a public inquiry into the Saint John municipal pension plan an important action for common council. Of those, 30 per cent considered it a highly important initiative.

An additional 33 per cent of the 405 respondents considered the issue unimportant.

Coun. Bill Farren, an outspoken critic of the plan, wants the books wide open so taxpayers can see where their money is going.

"It's unfortunate that only 30 per cent of the people think it's a top item, because in the last three years, the city, the taxpayers, has put $19.3 million extra, over and above what we normally pay, into the plan," Farren said.

That is money that could be invested in infrastructure initiatives such as new roads and water treatment - both of which residents considered important initiatives for the city, the CRA poll found.

"We could get at these items that much sooner if we had that almost $20 million still in our pocket."

Farren said council has been warned by city manager Terry Totten that on top of the extra $19.3 million in payments already being made toward the plan, an additional $6 million a year will need to be paid by the city starting at the end of this year.

"If that doesn't scare "¦ people, then I don't know what will. That's money taken out of the things that we need in this city."

The Ward 1 councillor said it is extremely important to have an inquiry find out what is going on within the plan, and where to go from here.

"We've got to be prepared to do it because this city cannot afford it. This is the straw that breaks the camel's back."

Farren points to the city's municipal operations department, headed by Paul Groody, as a potential benefactor of the money the city has lost - and will continue to lose - to the plan.

"You could give Mr. Groody another $6 million a year and see what he can do with that for streets. You could give it to Mr. Groody and see how much quicker he could put together his water treatment plant. How much sooner will $3 million for each of those projects get him where he has to be? Where the city has to be?"

Mayor Ivan Court, chairman of the city's pension board, contends there are no mysterious evils surrounding the plan.

"An inquiry is not important at all. What's important is getting the facts and the truth from the people who handle the funds," he said. "They're all reputable firms."

On Jan. 31, the pension board will be bringing in the experts on the fund to an open council session to answer any questions citizens may have.

"If anybody's got any questions, they can come in on that Saturday, as long as they get their questions in by Jan. 5, and any of their questions will be answered in an open session of council," Court said. "The bottom line is that there is nothing to hide."

The mayor encourages anyone with questions at all to "get them out of their system.

"If they're not happy with their answers, we can't do anything about it. But if they want the facts, they're going to get the facts."

The pension board's ongoing defamation lawsuit against former city councillor John Ferguson is a separate entity from the structure of plan, the mayor said.

"Somebody said something that they probably shouldn't have said, they've been asked to give an apology and they haven't. As a result, the courts have decided that there's a reason to proceed," Court said. "That will be handled in the courts separately altogether."

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I am very much looking forward to the Jan 31 open session and hope the room is packed with all the people who have been so critical of the pension plan. You will find that the pension plan is very secure and well funded. The only reason it appears to be underfunded is because the Actuary changed the assumptions. The plan does not need the extra money the Province is forcing the City to pay.
Please attend the meeting and get your information from the experts. Everything is in the open...go to the meeting and like Mayor Court said "get the facts".
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Anonymous Reader, Saint John on 03/01/09 06:40:49 AM AST
The above commentary is more of what they have been trying to feed the taxpayers of Saint John for; decades; "trust us, everything is fine."

There is no way everything is fine when the Board has not addressed the LTD situation. Actuaries have been warning the Board for decades of the danger to the health of the Plan if they continue to ignore it.

There is no way everything is fine when the Pension Board is so unbalanced in representation that 9 out of 12 of the Board benefit from any decisions they make. Talk about conflicts of interest!

There is no way everything is fine when 13 people with bruised egos have the ability to use hundreds of thousands of our taxpayer dollars to sue a councillor who was just trying to get answers so the Plan could be fixed.

The Plan clearly has serious problems that can only be addressed by a forensic audit and public enquiry to get at the bottom of the problems before attempting anymore band aid solutions that involve our taxpayer money.
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Anonymous Reader, Saint John on 03/01/09 07:26:19 AM AST
How can anyone say "The plan is well funded" and "The plan does not need the extra money" when the city manager is warning that an extra 6 million will be needed every year. Perhaps "anonymous reader" thinks actuaries just pull numbers out of a hat. It sounds likely that reader is buying into the "it's not my fault" culture that pervades this city - even high level elected officials have told me that the shortfall is the fault of the actuarial assessment. I worked for a company whose pension plan was underfunded, and the plan (and the company) almost collapsed as a result. Retired longshoremen in Saint John have taken a reduction in their pensions, and thought that they were going to take a further reduction in 2008. Is that where city workers are headed? I'll bet that the "anonymous reader" won't be waiting for his pension cheque when the city has to borrow money to cover it. It's easy to say "there's nothing wrong" when things won't affect you!
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Donald Leaman, Saint John on 03/01/09 08:55:23 AM AST
"An inquiry is not important at all." It's important to a lot of citizens so it seems that the citizens and what they want are not important to the mayor. "What's important is getting the facts and the truth..if thy're not happy with their answers, we can't do anything about that." He must mean "answers" like the one questionable ltd figure it took 64 days to get without background or context.Councillors you can do something about this-this latest charade is more posturing and dodge ball.We want to know why our money is being syphoned into a bottomless pit pension fund and why. What are the senior managment and pension fund hiding that is so important that you would allow them to sacrifice our city, our citizens and our pensioners for it.Show some integrity through all this meaningless bluster-a forensic audit is the only way to begin to rebuild our city and its future.Show some backbone and courage to these bullies-do the right thing,insist on a forensic audit. We're depending on you.
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not acceptable, Saint John on 03/01/09 10:33:06 AM AST
check out www.fairtaxesfirst.com. A lot of information on there about what has been going on. A forensic audit is what is needed. why does it take 3 weeks to answer questions from the citizens that should be easy to answer if there is nothing to hide!?
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Tina S., Saint John on 03/01/09 11:04:00 AM AST
My question to Mayor Court is: Why do you insist that John Ferguson apologize for merely "hoping" that the Saint John Pension Board had upheld its fiduciary duty as stewards of the employee pension board and not acted irresponsibly and illegally as the San Diego, California board in acting? How in the world is Ferguson's statement(which in grammar, he made as a conditional proposition not based in fact) something needing his apology? The statement: "We all hope that Mayor Court is not privy to any illegal police wiretaps or data mining of emails and phone calls related to the case" is a similar conditional statement, not one (let's hope not for Court's sake) stating a fact. It's a hope, not a fact. Shame on you Court. One pities your former students at St. Malachy's (What was your job, to keep the fish moving?) Some education you gave them. As they say, you're the type that says: "Don't confuse me with the facts. I've already made up my mind!"
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We're not there yet, Saint John on 03/01/09 11:49:08 AM AST
Court says "An inquiry is not important at all. What's important is getting the facts and the truth from the people who handle the funds," he said. "They're all reputable firms."
Is Mayor Court really that stupid or is he just playing dumb? The questions that need answering have nothing to do with reputable investment firms. Court knows as well as anyone that the questions have to do with the disbursement of the funds by past & present board members. When Glen Tait was fire chief he recommended that Mr. Fraser seek out a disability pension rather accommodate him (as is required). Fraser applied & was granted his disability pension only to have it taken away by the same pension board that Glen Tait sat on as a councilor (& now retired fire chief). To make matters even worse we discover that Tait received a huge buy-out from the city, even though he was retiring anyway, and his position would have to be filled! Explain this with your facts Mr. Court.
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Red Herring, Saint John on 03/01/09 12:38:09 PM AST
Court says "An inquiry is not important at all. What's important is getting the facts and the truth from the people who handle the funds," he said. "They're all reputable firms."

I recall Court saying the same thing prior to Greg Yeoman’s long awaited and thoroughly embarrassing presentation to council on disability numbers. It took Yeomans almost 70 days to deliver misleading (wrong) numbers and couldn’t correctly answer a single question from councilors. And this was supposedly a “professional” member of the pension board?

Is Mr. Court living in the same world as everyone else? I just thank my lucky stars that my children were fortunate enough to avoid listening to this man in the classroom.
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Hank Kyle, Saint John on 03/01/09 01:23:16 PM AST
Ask Mayor Ivan Court to explain in 25 words or less the difference between a "hypothetical conditional statement" and an "opinion claiming to state a positive verifiable fact." Also ask his colleagues Councillors Carl Killen, Solicitor John Nugent, Councillor Chris Titus, and, of course, the one who thinks he's an owl but who is really a poseur (maybe he's an owl and also a poseur), the city's wiseacre himself, Peter McGuire. The correct answer shows why the pension board's defamation lawsuit against John Ferguson is ridiculous.
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We're not there yet, Saint John on 03/01/09 05:25:03 PM AST
You're partly right on McGuire in that he truely is a "bird brain".
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Hank Kyle, Saint John on 03/01/09 05:29:23 PM AST
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