'It's a scandal'

Published Wednesday July 8th, 2009

Questions Catholics demand explanation for PM pocketing communion wafer at LeBlanc funeral

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A senior New Brunswick Roman Catholic priest is demanding the Prime Minister's Office explain what happened to the sacramental communion wafer Stephen Harper was given at Roméo LeBlanc's funeral mass.

During communion at the solemn and dignified service held last Friday in Memramcook for the former governor general, the prime minister slipped the thin wafer that Catholics call "the host" into his jacket pocket.

In Catholic understanding, the host - once consecrated by a priest for the Eucharist - becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is crucial that the small wafer be consumed when it is received.

Monsignor Brian Henneberry, vicar general and chancellor in the Diocese of Saint John, wants to know whether the prime minister consumed the host and, if not, what happened to it.

If Harper accepted the host but did not consume it, "it's worse than a faux pas, it's a scandal from the Catholic point of view," he said.

Henneberry said a statement from the Prime Minister's Office is in order.

"If I were the prime minister, I would at least offer an explanation to say no offence was meant, and then (clarifying) what happened to the consecrated host is in order," he said. "I would hope the Prime Minister's Office would have enough respect for the Catholic Church and for faith in general to make clear whatever happened."

On Friday, during the mass, Harper reached out with his right hand and accepted the wafer from a priest.

A television camera lingered long enough to show New Brunswick Lt.-Gov. Herménégilde Chiasson, the next person to receive the host, raise his to his mouth.

But the tape shows that Harper does not consume the wafer before the camera cuts away several seconds later.

If Harper was unclear about what was appropriate during the funeral mass, said Henneberry, it "would say to me it's time to get new protocol people."

Harper and his senior spokespersons were en route to Italy on Tuesday for the G8 leaders' summit.

Harper will spend five days in Italy and on Saturday he has an audience with Pope Benedict.

Requests for comment left with Harper's media office were not immediately returned on Tuesday.

What Harper did or didn't do at the ceremony quietly raised questions at the ceremony in Memramcook Friday.

When Harper took the host, "everybody just paused and said, 'What did he do with it?'"‚" said one official who watched the pool feed with reporters who were not inside St. Thomas Church in Memramcook.

"You could see he was, 'Uh oh, I don't know what to do with this.'"‚"

The curiosity among Catholics has not gone unnoticed among Liberal insiders in Ottawa, either.

Henneberry said he has received a call on Harper's actions from a concerned Catholic, and he doubts that she is the only one puzzled and perturbed.

"She said she was very upset," he said, adding he had not seen the footage.

"She said, 'All weekend long it has been bothering me and I know I can't do something about it, but someone should.'

"She can't be the only one in this country that is thinking that."

Harper's religious affiliation raises a separate but related question about his accepting the host: As a Protestant, should he have politely declined it?

The fact it was a national event that was televised live likely complicated the situation for everyone - the priests and Harper, Henneberry said.

"If the prime minister is not a Catholic, he should not have been receiving communion and if he comes up it places the priest in an awkward position, especially at a national funeral because everyone is watching," he said.

But Rev. Arthur Bourgeois, who delivered the homily, did not have a problem with the prime minister accepting the host.

"Usually, to partake in holy communion in the Catholic Church, you have to be a member of it, but if you're not, exceptionally sometimes at major occasions (it is different)," Bourgeois said.

"If you are up there and giving holy communion you are not going to stop and asked everyone if they are Catholic or if they are not Catholic.

"You say the Lord provides."

Monsignor André Richard, who is Bishop of the Diocese of Moncton, gave Harper communion but said he didn't see what Harper did with the host.

"I didn't see anything wrong there "¦ because I was busy doing something else."

Bourgeois said it is acceptable to decline the host by simply folding one's hands, which signals the priest to bless the person.

Rev. James Weisgerber, president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and archbishop of Winnipeg, said if Harper was not given good advice before the ceremony about what to do, it is a regrettable oversight.

"I would feel very sorry for the prime minister if he wasn't informed about what the procedure is," Weisgerber said. "I would find it terrible if we put him in an embarrassing situation.

"My concern is at a funeral of that level everyone knows what the protocol is."

Harper could have simply consumed the host shortly after he was off-camera; or he could have hesitated because he expected a priest would soon invite everyone to consume the host once everyone present had received it, as occurs in some Protestant churches.

His own faith tradition certainly does things differently, says an evangelical Christian journalist who specializes in religion and politics.

Lloyd Mackey's 2005 book The Pilgrimage of Stephen Harper traces Harper's political and faith journey.

Given his church background, Harper might not have known exactly what was expected of him as a Protestant at a Roman Catholic mass, Mackey suggested.

"I don't think by himself as a Protestant adherent he'd be aware of the nuances," said Mackey, who added there would be people in his inner circle who should have advised him.

For a number of years, in Calgary and in Ottawa, Harper has worshipped at churches within the Christian and Missionary Alliance, said Mackey.

Communion in Alliance churches is typically held once a month.

It would involve the seated congregation passing along wafers and, in small individual glasses, unfermented grape juice.

Harper grew up in a background with United Church of Canada and Presbyterian influences, but he was something of a skeptic until he was a young adult.

Mackey's book says Harper's journey to a committed personal faith was influenced by fellow politician Preston Manning, among others, and came after reading much-admired Christian apologists C.S. Lewis and Malcolm Muggeridge.

LeBlanc, 81, died in late June. He had been the country's first Acadian and Maritime governor general, and before that, a senator, MP and press secretary to two prime ministers.

 

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T S., Quispamsis on 10/07/09 07:05:15 AM ADT (continued)

The faith requirement is God wants all people to worship Him in the Catholic Church(CCC). The Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.
The moral requirement is the Ten Commandments. The First Commandment demands that we worship God in the way he wants to be worshipped.Otherwise we are making are ego an idol.
Those who follow the moral and faith requirements within the Catholic Church are prepared to recieve Our Lord. Otherwise it is a profanity, a sacrilege something evil if done intentionally.
Stephen Harper's intentions are not be judged here.I am pointing out that he like many other non Catholics,especially those who participate in inter-religious dialogue and ecumenism, are informed and educated and are not Catholic, they are oriented to Hell according to the Bible and the Vatican Council II.
Lionel Andrades
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

http://it.youtube.com/LionelAndrades

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Lionel Andrades, Rome on 10/07/09 10:38:21 AM AST
It shocks and amazes me that with everything else going on in the world today that the Telegraph Journal considers this to be a "news worthy" story at all.

Perhaps our media should be more concerned with why we are supporting Afghanistan with billions of dollars each year and the lives of countless young Canadian men and women and then we merely stand aside and watch while the new government enacts a law that allows a man to legally rape his wife?

Isn't there more important issues that the media should be focusing on and bringing awareness to so we can be a catalyst for some sort of positive change, instead of focusing on "non-incidents" such as this?
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A. Webber, Saint John on 10/07/09 11:40:24 AM AST
You can continue to cling to ancient rules and superstitions that got people through the Bronze Age, Lionel but here in modernity we have a better, more inclusive morality that does not condemn people to eternal torment for misplaced crackers.

Those rules were good for the ancient men who wrote them who KNEW NOTHING OF THE WORLD. Enlightened, modern people are willing to look critically at those rules and the writings that back them up (something the Church has tried hard to suppress throughout the ages) and find them not only lacking but downright IMMORAL in a modern context.

I cannot imagine saying to members of your faith that you are going to suffer eternal torture for believing what you do. What an awful thing to suggest! Never mind that the "hate speech police" would be down my backside. Yet you (and others like you) do it all the time with impunity, condemning people to Hell for not believing what you do, or (as here) not engaging in proper ritual behaviour with crackers.
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T S., Quispamsis on 10/07/09 01:55:06 PM AST

One thing for sure, any non-Catholic politician will think twice before going to any publicized Catholic service. He can easily find himself in a no-win situation over issues that even the Catholics can't agree on.


"The media is our problem"
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. MCLAUGHLIN, Quispamsis on 10/07/09 06:44:08 PM AST


Imagine if the TG editor was hit by a truck and ended up in heaven and was greeted by Romeo. What would the editor say when asked how the highlights of Romeo's funeral were reported and what were people saying about it across Canada. I’m sure Jamie would be too ashamed to say that he, with some help from the Church, crucified Harper good.

Let’s face it, the Catholic Church has never supported non-Catholic Prime Ministers and that is why there have been so few. (Harper the only one in my life time). Maybe the days are gone when the Priest comes right out and tells the faithful how to vote but old habits die hard. So, the sooner they can get rid of this protestant Harper, the better.

On the other hand, can anyone imagine a Catholic PM under similar circumstances, being crucified in a Protestant church because of a possible and certainly unintended faux pas.
I doubt that such a thing would happen in a Mosque, so what does that say about Christianity as practiced by some.
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LEONARD MCLAUGHLIN, Quispamsis on 10/07/09 06:46:19 PM AST


Aaaaaah, boys, .... boys!

I think you're getting off topic here.

(but, frankly, .... I don't need you, you, ... or any religious organization to give me the "official Oky Doky" on how to follow the moral rules of life, and live it well, ... my parents taught me those)

Back to topic, ......... "Get over it!"

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D. Parker, Vancouver (formerly Saint John) on 10/07/09 06:58:39 PM AST
A.Wber says: It shocks and amazes me that with everything else going on in the world today that the Telegraph Journal considers this to be a "news worthy" story at all.

The only real issue is going to Heaven and avoiding Hell. The rest are non issues.
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A.Weber says:I cannot imagine saying to members of your faith that you are going to suffer eternal torture for believing what you do.

We do not say that any particular person is going to Hell.Only God can judge.We do say that the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit teaches that certain actions lead to Hell. One needs the Sacrament of Confession.
So I CAN imagine saying to members of other faiths, we love you and God loves you too, however if you do not convert it is a mortal sin of Faith. Your oriented to Hell since you know about it and you are disobedient.
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Lionel Andrades, Rome on 11/07/09 05:37:54 AM AST
JEWS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO CONVERT AND THE CHURCH HAS AN OBLIGATION TO BAPTIZE JEWS

- United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) on June 18, 2009 issued a Note on Ambiguities contained in ‘Reflections on Covenant and Mission’. It has been issued by the Committee on Doctrine and the Committee on Ecumenical and Inter Religious Affairs of the USCCB.It is an indication why Jews and non-Catholics cannot receive the Eucharist.

It affirms Pope John Paul II‘s teaching that inter religious dialogue is a part of evangelisation.

It indicates that Judaism is not a path to salvation. Jews need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to go to Heaven (and avoid Hell) and that when a Catholic meets a Jew in Boston, or elsewhere, he could tell him or her that the Catholic Church teaches that he or she needs to convert for salvation.

The statement can be found at http://www.usccb.org/bishops/covenant09.pdf.
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Lionel Andrades, Rome on 11/07/09 05:40:43 AM AST


Jeeeeeeezzzz, .......... I can't believe it!

What is wrong with you folks?

"The only real issue here is going to heaven and avoiding hell" ???

Noooooooo, ........ way off the mark. That is "absolutely" not the issue here, ..... "For Heavens Sake"!

The issue here, ....... is;

a Politician made a "protocal" mistake, ... and people are flipping out about it, ..... "For the Lord's Sake", ... get past it and concentrate on making "aaaaaaaaaaalllllll" of your lives better.
Spend your energy on;

Helping your neighbour,
bettering your own life,
raising your kids, ..... or grand-kids, ... or "anybody's" kids with a sense of "right & wrong",
smiling at someone when you pass them on the street,
.... jeeeeeezzzz, .... anything, .....

"Make Life Better for Someone Else, .... if you can".


People, ..... "Get a Grip!"
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D. Parker, Vancouver (formerly Saint John) on 11/07/09 06:00:53 AM AST
Most people of faith are born into their faith and never change. If the proof was there for any religion,you'd think that after 2000 years the learned men of the world would have discovered that proof and be of one faith. After all, no one wants to displease an ever present god. The religious clerics who were molesting children certainly didn't think any god was watching them. So if the clerics and priests don't believe, that tells you something.
If Lionel was born into the Muslim faith, I wonder what he thinks he'd believe today.
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. MCLAUGHLIN, Quispamsis on 11/07/09 10:18:57 AM AST
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