Chase to chief: save $1 million

Published Friday June 26th, 2009

City Deputy mayor wants to see benefits from review of the city's fire services

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SAINT JOHN - Deputy Mayor Stephen Chase says he wants the city to save $1 million or more on fire services next year, otherwise a review of the department will have been a waste of time.

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Saint John’s $20.3-million fire service eats up a good chunk of the city’s $127-million operational budget.

"This is probably the biggest operational review the city will undertake," said Chase, referring to the program common council signed off on earlier this week.

"What we need are ideas. It's not too difficult to understand what's being delivered and the cost. But what I'm looking for are innovative ideas on how we can still deliver a good fire service, meeting the needs of this community, but still save some money."

Fire Chief Rob Simonds is in charge of conducting the review, something that concerns Chase. He says Simonds has never shown a willingness to find big savings.

"The chief had every opportunity to do this before and he hasn't," Chase said, mentioning that the fire department's strong union culture makes it difficult for any manager looking at cutbacks. "It would likely be very difficult for him to introduce any ideas that would see any impact on his firefighters."

But Simonds says he understands what council wants and will follow the instructions it gave him.

The chief said in an interview that the review will for the first time outline the exact cost of every service provided by the fire department and how important it is. Once council sees the list, it will be able to decide what should stay or go.

"At no point did (council) say, 'Come back with a recommendation to, say, reduce your budget by x-y-z,' " Simonds said. "What they've asked me to do is identify the options, put a dollar value to them, and tell us what the implications are for each of them from the most significant, to the least significant."

The motion passed by council in May states the review should consider consolidating fire stations, introducing some volunteer firefighters, changing the response policy and reducing medical assistance calls, among other ideas. The politicians also wanted to know how the changes could affect residential insurance rates.

Coun. Gary Sullivan says he wants to see savings in every department, but pointed out that the $20.3-million fire service eats up a significant portion of the $127-million city budget. He said he's willing to wait and see what the findings are before he speculates where savings can be found.

"I don't have that level of expertise to know," he said.

"But the city doesn't have an unlimited chequing account. We need to be prepared to make hard decisions if necessary."

On Monday, council agreed to hire SMC Risk Management Services to conduct part of the review for $40,000. The chief clarified in the interview that the company was hired because council wanted to know how changes to fire service would affect insurance rates. He said the company wasn't hired because management at the fire department was too tied up with other work. SMC owns the proprietary rights to the data it uses for its insurance advice.

"This component, this pillar of the study, can only be done by the insurance industry themselves," Simonds said."They can quantitatively measure what we need, measure what we have and say, 'You know what, you have way too much fire protection for what you need' or conversely, 'You have too little.' At least what you have is a baseline assessment that's going to allow council to make informed decisions."

Staff at the fire department has been busy doing natural gas pipeline and LNG training in preparation for the big industrial project that's coming online at Mispec. That's why Simonds asked council to push the review's completion date from August to the end of September.

A steering committee, made up of one councillor from each of the four wards, will soon be in place to guide the fire chief in the review. The nominating committee - made up of the deputy mayor, Mayor Ivan Court and Councillor Joe Mott - is expected to meet Monday morning to consider appointments.

"They can provide me greater focus because we're talking about delivering this thing in roughly 90 to 100 days," Simonds said of the steering committee.

 

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The citizens of Saint John should realize you do not play politics with the fire and police dept. Their budgets should be increased. These reviews are about cutbacks. It looks to me that Stephen Chase has become the poster boy for big buisiness in Saint John. He must be replacing Michelle Hooton
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Frank I., Quispamsis on 26/06/09 11:23:09 AM AST
So here we go again with Chase. Cheap talk with no action from him and putting the blame and responsibility on everyone else. Wonder who trained him? Chase is the deputy mayor of the city, if he thinks we have been overspending on our fire department by a million bucks it's because he has never helped to ensure that there has been a detailed opeatrional review on an ongoing basis for any of our city servies. When he talks of cutting medical backup of the fire dept he has obviously never had to call 911 in a critical health emergency situation and have the fire department always arrive up to 10 minutes ahead of the ambulance. Police and fire are critical services to our citizens, publicly grandstanding for cuts to these services is cheap politicing. Perhaps Mr. Chase should have thought about cutting the million dollars when he voted for Mr. Totten's second pension and half a million resignation gift while asking the employees and pensioners to give up parts of theirs. Doesn't equate!!
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trust is earned, Saint John on 26/06/09 11:55:35 AM AST
Why have the review in the first place?. Chase and Titus have already shown their intentions to cut the Fire Department and I'm sure they will do everything they can to bully council into voting for it and I'm sure there will be enough cowards on council who will cave to their bully tactics.

The review won't be worth the paper it's written on.
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B Coes, Rothesay on 26/06/09 12:42:04 PM AST
I have a suggestion for some cost cutting measures. Make the owners of these "great projects" such as the LNG plant pay for any and all training that is required by "ALL" Emergency personnel that could be called out to that facility in an Emergency Situation.

I would like a dollar figure on how much it has cost us, the tax payers, to train our Fire Department for all of the potential emergency situations that could happen at that plant.

I bet it was a heck of a lot more that what the City will be generating in the property taxes for that facility.

I think the owners should have to pick up all costs that have been associated with that training, and any future training that may be required. This should be a requirement for "ALL" projects of this nature as a stipulation of them being built.

I would be willing to bet that if this were the case, they would have a good start to saving that million!




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I Give A Damn, Saint John on 26/06/09 01:03:45 PM AST
It really doesn't matter what the recommendations will be, the "union culture" in this department will always reserve the right to ask the "what if" questions. It's a no win situation.
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Wayne Queen, Saint John on 26/06/09 01:50:30 PM AST
"Make the owners of these "great projects" such as the LNG plant pay for any and all training that is required by "ALL" Emergency personnel that could be called out to that facility in an Emergency Situation."

This is what they pay the $500,000 in taxes a year for. It would have been more but McFarlane got out bluffed by the Irvings.
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D Murray, Rothesay on 26/06/09 03:01:58 PM AST
Exactly my point D Murray, exactly my point.

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I Give A Damn, Saint John on 26/06/09 05:08:57 PM AST
To: I Give a Damn - In all fairness to our industrial residents, they pay their share of property tax too. Too much of it (1/2) goes to the rest of province.
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Billy Joel, Saint John on 26/06/09 06:17:22 PM AST
Why do 10 people ( so far ) put a thumbs down to what I say?? It is fact!
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D Murray, Rothesay on 26/06/09 11:31:59 PM AST
"Exactly my point D Murray, exactly my point."

According to your post I Give A Damn, Saint John , I don't see how what I said and what you said have anything to do with each other. You say charge the industrial companies extra and I say they are already paying through the taxes they pay yearly(which could be more but Macfarlane was a stupid mayor). Am I missing something?
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D Murray, Rothesay on 26/06/09 11:36:54 PM AST
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